What would you like to say about about
what Ryland Clark had to say?
>> Yes, I totally stand with him if I'm
honest with you.
>> Mhm.
>> Because I totally agree for someone to
go on mainstream TV and actually talk
right less than anyone else would have
in parliament. And yes, he is right.
Letting these people across the channel
and being given fourstar hotels within
the Bellwin and the Britannia in Canary
Wolf and getting all this free stuff,
the iPhones, tablets, iPads, etc. But
yet we've got British veterans on our
streets who actually fought for this
country who can't get into hotels for an
accommodation.
>> Okay. So Thomas, you're right that
veterans should not be in that position.
But you said fourstar hotels like the
Bell Hotel. I just looked up the Bell
Hotel is not a four-star. It's a three
star first of all.
>> A three star. Four star. Right. Fair
enough.
>> They shouldn't be put in there. And this
is what has caused it all. They
shouldn't be. We should have the
veterans in them and not these people
who have come across the English Channel
from northern um France into do and be
putting in these hotels. It's not on.
>> Okay. Did you hear I don't know if you
heard we went through everything that
Ryland claimed with our political
correspondent and some of it was true
and some of it was not so true. So they
they don't all get phones and iPads.
That's not true.
>> Most of them do. They get come in here
get similar to that.
>> Okay. How do you know that?
>> Because you can tell they do. You see
them all the time. I see a video on
social media that someone went into one
of these so-cal hotels where they're
staying and you can see they've been
given a PlayStation 5
>> to sit there on. It's not on.
>> So So one So there's a clip somewhere on
social media that someone's been given a
PlayStation 5.
>> Yeah.
>> And and you believe that? Do you think
they're all getting PlayStation from?
Where else would they have had this
from?
>> I have no idea. Do you think they're all
getting PlayStations?
>> Most of them could be. Like I said, they
could all getting all this technology
these days
>> and it goes show they're getting
everything for free
>> and like the government took away the um
winter fuel from the OAP pensioners.
>> Think of how these old people are
feeling right now when they're not
getting everything and these soal asylum
seekers are coming and getting
everything for free. It's not
>> okay Thomas that you turned on that that
winter fuel allowance. They changed
their minds about that.
>> Yes, but it shouldn't be happening
though. How can they take that away from
OAPs and turn on for everything? It's
not on. And Ryland's absolutely right of
what he said on Tuesday or whenever it
was on this morning.
>> Where do you get your information from,
Thomas? I'm interested. Um, do you get
your information from uh I don't know,
from LBC, from the BBC? Do you get it
from social media? Where where who do
you follow on social media?
>> I read it all up on the newses, all
different ones. Um, social media these
days. It all goes round.
>> So, do you do you do you go to social
media more than, you know, newspapers or
whatever?
>> Listen to the news. I listen to LBC
every day.
>> Okay. Well, that's good. That's good.
Keep listening.
>> This running with they're all given free
mobile phones. They're all given free
this, they're all given free that. Um I
was having a conversation with my
neighbor last week who's a lovely lady.
I wouldn't say that she's in any way
racist or anti-immigration or anything
like that, but we were talking about how
much money they got. And I said, "Well,
actually, they get £7 a day." And she
said, "Well, they've all got expensive
phones."
And I said,
How do you know they're expensive
phones? And she said, "They look it." So
I So I went home and I looked it all up.
And there's dozens of charities, dozens
of charities out there asking for
people's old mobile phones, their
laptops, their their tablets, their
PlayStations, their whatever. So this
idea that the government is giving
people all these things for free and you
know you just come here and you just get
everything you want
>> um at the cost of at the cost of us and
some of it is at the cost of us um but
we've lost our humanity. We've
absolutely lost our humanity
um this othering of people um to further
to further people's political careers to
be honest. Um and and that can be
balanced. I I understand that there are
people here that shouldn't be here. Um
that they need to be processed faster
and they want to be want to be, you
know, they need to be returned.
>> Okay. Um
>> Jackie, I think the point here is that
um excuse me on on phones and iPads and
all the rest of it. There's three things
that are probably happening here. One,
some of these people are bringing phones
with them because they have phones and
and they're telling people, you know,
oh, I'm I'm I'm here. I'm there. I'm
I've made it. I haven't made it.
Whatever. So they bring presumably they
bring some phones with them. I don't
know. The second thing is is that um
people uh charities etc are giving them
phones. Um and the third thing I suppose
is that some of them who are working uh
and they're not supposed to work but
some of them who are working use some of
that money to buy phones presumably so
they can communicate with family. I
don't know. But the point remains and
Jackie thank you very much for your
call. The point remains that some people
who are listening to this don't think
that asylum seekers small boats arrivals
people who come in on small boats should
have things like that. They why why do
they have PlayStations? Why do they have
phones? Why are they being given a few
of them are being given iPads? It's you
know what it reminds me of? It reminds
me of the discussion that we used to
have around prisoners and we used to
say, "Oh, they got flat screen TVs. This
is luxury." Um, I just think that if you
have that point of view, you have that
point of view and and I don't think
anything is going to change your mind.
Some people will see this as basic
humanity, you know, being able to
communicate with people. Pretty much
everyone's got a mobile phone and some
people will say this is disgusting.
>> The government need to be transparent uh
around the support that's being
provided. There's so much speculation
around what are they getting, what
aren't they getting. Um, you know,
there's nothing to hide. the government
just need to come out and say when they
arrive x y and zed happens this is what
happens and then people can take a view
on whether that's reasonable or not.
>> Um that sounds like a really simple
thing to do. I think there's two issues
there. Number one, a lot of people don't
trust politicians anymore. So the
government would come out and say uh
black uh red is red and someone will say
no red is not red, red is pink. Um and
also how often does the government have
to come out and address this stuff? I
mean, you know, is it once a month, once
a week, every day?
>> Yeah, I understand your point. I just
think, you know, around such a sensitive
issue which is is clearly causing
tension across the country, I think, if
something's not done. I I I fear that
we're, you know, we're on the brink of
um, you know, some serious action taken
by people that aren't happy. If everyone
thinks, you know, people like Ryan Clark
and all some of your callers think it's
so cushy, why don't they get a ferry to
Calala, throw their passports away, go
and pay 10 grand for a people smoker,
come across on a dodgy boat, and if they
get here without drowning, then they too
can live the life of luxury in a
four-star hotel.
>> Well, you make an interesting point. You
make a good point, but
there there's so many butts here, Jim,
because first of all, some people are
just closed to this completely. They
just don't think we should be accepting
any asylum seekers. I mean, you you
understand that, don't you? That those
people those people do exist. Yeah.
>> But then there's lots of people who
don't think there should we should have
people of color in our country.
>> But they're not Yeah. But hang on a sec,
Jim. They're not always the same people,
are they? Because Ryland Clark was
making a point there, wasn't he? You
heard what Ryland said there. He he was
talking about legal migration, NHS
nurses who saved his mom's life and then
he was separating it out and talking
about illegal migration.
>> Yeah. Illegal migration. I mean, how
many illegal how many asylum seekers
have we got in this country at the
moment? About 100,000.
>> Oh, I'm not sure exactly.
>> Yeah, it's around 100,000. So, you know,
in the big scheme of things, that is
hardly anything. We had 700,000 people
come here the previous year, and before
that, I think it was over a million.
>> Are you Hang on, hang on. Are you Are
you talking about What are you talking
about? You're talking about legal
migration?
>> I'm talking about legal migration.
>> Okay. Yeah.
>> I mean, I mean, the the point is is that
the illegal immigration thing is getting
completely overblown. M
>> I mean if people are really concerned
about housing and NHS and all of this
why aren't we talking about the million
of people that came that were invited to
come here the two years ago the 700,000
people that were invited to come here
>> they're all sort using the NHS they're
all using housing
>> yeah but they're a lot most of them are
working and paying tax aren't they
>> yeah I'm sure a lot of the asylum
seekers would like to work and pay tax
as well that's why they're Yeah, I mean
they're not here. You're not going to
cross half the cup world, put your life
at risk, crossing the channel on a dingy
to sit in a hotel and receive £10 a
week. I mean, what are these people on?
>> Do you think there's misinformation or
not?
>> Oh, yeah, absolutely. Uh, but I think it
swings both ways. Um, and I think the
problem you've got is when you've got uh
social media and less than 30 second
clips sometimes showing you one side of
a thing versus another and that's all
you interact with day in day out. You're
going to only have that perspective. But
I think what it's indicative of is that
I think somebody earlier said that the
country has lost its humanity. I don't
think it's that. I think we've lost the
ability for healthy evidence-based
debate. And if something comes up that
you don't like, even if it's like 100%
true and people can prove it with facts
and statistics and everything else,
because you've got that echo chamber of
support behind you that say differently,
doesn't matter whether you're left
right, you're just going to stick to
your guns and go, "No, I don't believe
you."
>> And I think that's where we're at as a
country with this with a lot of issues,
but with this one, people that are
really far right are going to believe
that thing. People that are really far
left are going to believe the other
thing. And the people that are sort of
like in the middle are going to go,
>> I don't know because I'm I'm just a this
or I'm just a that and I just want to
have a nice happy life.
>> Is that you? Are you in the middle
>> sometimes? Yeah. I mean I'm I'm married
to an immigrant and we are sitting you
know and looking at the tensions and
going right what's going to happen and
then you sort of kind of give your head
a wobble and say nothing nothing bad's
going to happen.
>> And then you know like they are a legal
migrant. It has to do quite a lot of
hoop jumping to remain in the country,
but they're not given things. And that
sometimes kind of gets me annoyed. But
then again, are these people being given
the things? That's the that's what
you've got to try and work out when
you've got callers saying yes, they're
getting everything. Yeah.
>> And others that saying no, they're not.
>> So, I'm about to speak to someone who
who believes that they are given stuff.
Um, have you made up your mind about
whether they're given stuff or not?
>> I mean, I think I think there is some
some evidence to suggest they are. I
mean, there's a couple of videos I've
seen where like it's people going around
the back of the hotels and they're
unloading new flat screen TVs, but is
that the migrants or is that the hotel
going, "Hey, we're quids in here. Let's
get some uh nice nice electricity in the
wall." You know, that's some good stuff.
Cuz I used to work in hospitality. And
when the Ukraine war broke out, we had
Ukrainian refugees housed in the hotel.
>> And their thing was they were allowed to
work. they were allowed to uh they had
so many meals a day provided by the
hotel but the staff didn't get those
meals and the animosity that started to
come towards when I say genuine refugees
I'm just you know there was you knew
they were coming from Ukraine from the
war
>> the animosity from some of the staff
towards those people was quite palpable
>> so you you do believe that um migrants
are getting lots of stuff
>> yeah I do 100% and I think Ryland Clark
is 100% % right. Um, and something has
to be done. I mean, and they are fed
three meals a day and you see it on
social media. They are fed free meals a
day. Breakfast, lunch, evening meal. And
if you put a hundred of them in one
room, I'd say 98 of them would have a
mobile phone. Whether they're given to
them by us or or the government, I'm not
sure, but they all have a a mobile
phone. Usually, when you see the
pictures of them in newspapers, they're
normally a top of the range mobile phone
as well. They don't lose that in the
dingy or in the English Channel when
they're coming across. Another thing is
where's all the women and children
amongst all these? You never see a woman
or a child. You never see them. But but
the government, they all say women and
children. Where's the documentation that
they come across with? They come through
10 nine 10 countries to get here. No
documents. We haven't a clue and we
haven't a clue who we're letting into
this country.
>> Okay, Wayne. You say
All right, Wayne. Hang on a sec. I want
to Yeah. I want to try and answer just
at least one thing. You say, "Where are
the women and children?" Yeah, the
majority of them are men. Absolutely. I
think it's like 83 or 87%. But there are
some women and children that come.
>> You You never see them.
>> Well, maybe you're not looking.
>> Where's the Where's the documentary?
Where's their documents? You don't see
that?
>> Okay. Wait.
>> You know what? I was in Spain. I was I
was in Spain last year. My I I take my
dog every every May and September I go
Spain. I take we take our dog. They
wouldn't let me out of the country in
France because I've missed the
vaccination part in Spain going to the
vets but I was 5 hours late with the
vaccination. 5 hours. It cost me 200
quid for a hotel in France. I had to go
to an emergency vet in St. Cost me 140
quid for a tablet which the vet threw on
the floor. My dog ate. So, it's cost me
350 plus a day's work. A meeting I had
the next morning when I was due home.
>> Okay. All right. Wait, Wayne, I have to
stop you there, but we've slightly gone
off the point, but you did make your
point at the beginning. Uh, very well.
>> I guess my information by staying in
Britannia Hotels and by listening to the
woman who came on your show earlier um
from a charity saying a lot of these
phones are secondhand and so on and so
forth. Yeah. Whether you agree with the
asylum seekers or not, um I don't
believe they're given top of the range
phones. These people who come on don't
know what phones they've got. As I say,
I stay in Bratannia hotels all over the
country. None of them are fourstar or
cubrious in my view. And as for games
rooms, some of them will have a games
room because that's been there for
previous uh previous guests. I say I
stay in them. Some are mixed with asylum
seekers and ordinary guests. Some go
over 100% to asylum seekers, but Ryan
Ryland is illucated in giving out false
information, bearing in mind uh the
stature he has as a presenter.
>> What about
>> he did say I note he's not a journalist.
He's certainly not that.
>> No. Well, I mean, but Eric, he I know
he's not a journalist, but he's got a
right to say to to express his view. I
suppose the point that we were trying to
get through across was have your
opinion. uh make your point, have a
platform, but if you can try to check
your facts.
>> Exactly. Don't give out false
information, which some of what he was
giving out, I believe, is false
information. And it just revs everybody
up whether you're for or against them.
That's why I think he's ill educated in
in putting his head above the parapit to
give out this false information.
>> But do you think he made do you think he
made any good points? He did say, you
know, legal migration, this country's
built on it, etc. Uh they saved my mom's
life. Did he make any points that you
did agree with?
>> He made plenty of good points, but it
all went out the water. When somebody
gives false information, it's like when
somebody uh raises their voice during a
discussion, straight away forget